eOmaha.com Forum Index

 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Iowa Rainforest project
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    eOmaha.com Forum Index -> Elsewhere
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
icejammer



Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 1140
Location: Council Bluffs

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:14 pm    Post subject: Iowa Rainforest project Reply with quote

Some of you may have seen the article in today's OWH, how Sen. Grassley is (finally) putting some conditions on his pork-barrel, I mean, worthwhile $50 million grant towards that project. What the OWH failed to mention is that Grassley has also opened up the constraints of the grant to allow this to be built anywhere in Iowa. What say you all about the Omaha metro being able to support such a project, even with the Henry Doorly Zoo already here?

Grassley puts limits on rainforest spending
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Finn



Joined: 25 Mar 2004
Posts: 1188
Location: DC

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say come up with your own idea, Iowa! Des Moines businessman Ted Townsend did not conceive the idea, he stole it from Omaha. The world's largest indoor rainforest is already in the Midwest. Come up with something original or we both may suffer!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
MrTwister



Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Iowa Rainforest project and the Rainforest exhibit are two different but similar projects Finn. The Iowa Rainforest was not meant to be a zoo exhibit, it was meant to be a working classroom for kids, college students, and professionals, based upon a similar project built outside London, England.

That being said, it is a far too ambitious idea for Iowa and most certainly doomed to financial failure like the Denver aquarium.

I look for the $50 million to eventually be used in the expansion of the Des Moines zoo. And no, we're not ever going to compete with Omaha in that regards (unless we get a billionaire backer too.), but I do think Des Moines can a will support a mid-sized zoo and aquarium.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
loyalomahan



Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 373

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

State quarter theme, rainforest, pandas, etc, etc

Iowa is always compelled to copy/steal from Nebraska. What gives? We don't have much here, why can't they just come up with their own original stuff, we'll even subsidize it by gambling in their casinos.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Finn



Joined: 25 Mar 2004
Posts: 1188
Location: DC

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The Iowa Rainforest was not meant to be a zoo exhibit, it was meant to be a working classroom for kids, college students, and professionals, based upon a similar project built outside London, England.


It is also meant to be a tourist draw.

Too similar!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Linkin5



Joined: 10 Feb 2004
Posts: 403
Location: Lincoln, NE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed Finn.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address  
NovakOmaha



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 232

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loyalomahan wrote:
State quarter theme, rainforest, pandas, etc, etc

Iowa is always compelled to copy/steal from Nebraska. What gives? We don't have much here, why can't they just come up with their own original stuff, we'll even subsidize it by gambling in their casinos.


Well, not ALWAYS.

Living history farms, Amana Colonies, etc. They have lots of "Iowa-centric" stuff.

In addition, so what if they compete? Competition is great. It keeps raising the bar and makes the final product better.

I'm not a fan of using federal funds but what the heck, at least its not a rainforest to nowhere...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
MrTwister



Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well.....why don't you guys come up with your own ideas. New York had a zoo long before you, and so did San Diego. How about your arena downtown. We announced our plans to build one long before yours (ours was held up in court for several years, hence your earlier completion date). How about your park downtwon. New York has one...so does Boston....quit stealing thier ideas.

Man you guys are touchy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Swift



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 1973
Location: San Francisco / Omaha

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, considering parks, arenas and zoos have been around for centuries... icon_rolleyes.gif

What's next for Iowa, a huge desert dome with an nocturnal exhibit below it? icon_rolleyes.gif
_________________
r.i.p.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
CountOfMC



Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 375
Location: Downtown Milwaukee, Omaha

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Haha. That is NOT a good analogy. C'mon now. I think it's your attitude towards Omaha that's touchy!
_________________
God created alcohol to keep the Irish from taking over the world!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Ingersoll1978



Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 374
Location: Des Moines

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.iowachild.org/

Look at the website and you will see its much more than an indoor rainforest with animals in it. They didn't even add animals to the project until much later. This project has nothing to do with the zoo in Omaha. It's about educating Iowans (and the world---yes---even Nebraskans) about the environment. It's on a much grander scale that is comparable to the Eden Project in England. Hopefully they get this thing built.



Here are some facts from their website:

The Environmental Project provides an unparalleled opportunity for experiencing and learning about the intricacies and wonders of nature. By using a number of natural environments, including an indoor rain forest, an integrated aquarium, and bridging to exterior indigenous ecosystems, the Environmental Project will help people of all ages understand how life works on earth and how we can lead truly sustainable lifestyles in harmony with all of nature.

Through utilization of cutting edge “green design” and environmentally focused energy systems, the Project will serve as both an ecological inspiration and architectural icon, here in the heartland.

Location:

Coralville , IA - near the interchange of Interstates 80 and 380 with 45,000 vehicles passing daily
Minutes from Iowa City, home of the University of Iowa, one of North America’s largest teaching hospitals, cultural venues, and Iowa Hawkeyes athletic facilities
20+ acres on current EPA Brownfield site, next to the Iowa River

Education:

Visitor experience rich in environmental and energy science
In house Learning Center with dedicated space and technology to implement programs recommended by a state and national Education Design Team
State and national partnerships will improve science education by advocating for science literacy, preparing new science teachers, and providing professional development for experienced science teachers
Initiatives in leadership development and child development
In advance of opening, will provide Internet access to vast digital content for science education including weather, space, plants, animals, and even molecules

Exhibits:

Re-created tropical rain forest and up to one million gallon integrated aquarium
Large format and mixed media theatre
Interactive galleries on the indigenous Iowa prairie, geology and food production for the world
Re-created tall grass Iowa prairie, wetlands, outdoor trails, gardens and crops
Resource Conservation :

Designed to recapture up to 11 million gallons of annual on-site precipitation; external water purification system
Energy-efficient three-layer foil exterior
Use of alternative/renewable energy sources, potentially including passive solar, geothermal, biomass, and fuel cell technology
Economic Development:

500 construction jobs over 2 years
200 permanent jobs with ripple effect of 2,500 jobs in eastern Iowa
Projected 1.1 million – 1.5 million visitors annually
State economic impact $187 million annually – $2 billion over a decade
$85 million positive economic impact in Johnson County, $72 million in Linn County
Project will anchor tourism in corridor including the Amana Colonies, Cedar Rapids, Kalona, West Branch, and other surrounding communities
Project is the center of a $300 million redevelopment of the Old Industrial Park that includes a new Marriott Hotel and Conference Center (already under-construction).
_________________

Co-founder of absolutedsm.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
NovakOmaha



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 232

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't have minded it if Nebraska had copied Iowa as far as casinos are concerned...I mean, those pesky Iowans are the sole reason that AkSarBen Track is now, um, well, nothing.

Iowa has always been more progressive than Nebraska. I personally think it has something to do with Merideth Wilson.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
admin
Site Admin


Joined: 08 Nov 2003
Posts: 296

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

{Pointless exchanges removed}

Let's all be nice folks. If you can't, you'll be removed from the forum. Thank you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail  
edsas



Joined: 08 Feb 2004
Posts: 563
Location: Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lied Jungle is a unique attraction. That's why this is a sensitive issue. This would be like Nebraska replicating the Bridges of Madison County or the Field of Dreams baseball field. Wouldn't it tick Iowans off if Nebraska wanted to build those?

I hope the Iowa jungle project gets dumped.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Ingersoll1978



Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 374
Location: Des Moines

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference between the two is that the Iowa project isn't a zoo exhibit. It's more about education and the environment. If anyone should be mad, it's the Eden Project in England.

Edsas: I doubt anyone would care. It wouldn't be the "real" thing. That would be about as exciting as seeing a replica of the liberty bell in the town square.
_________________

Co-founder of absolutedsm.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
icejammer



Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 1140
Location: Council Bluffs

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edsas wrote:
The Lied Jungle is a unique attraction.


I'd be curious to know what is unique about the Lied Jungle. I've been to several indoor rainforest exhibits across the country (dating back 7 years before the Lied Jungle was built), so I wouldn't consider the Lied Jungle unique, although it is the nicest one I've been to (jmho).

Just like I wouldn't consider the Bridges of Madison County unique, other than their 15 minutes of fame because of some over-romanticized/over-rated book/movie, because there are covered bridges all over the country.

So, back to the original question, would the Omaha metro support this? From the replies so far, it looks like maybe not. Any particular reasons not to?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
almighty_tuna



Joined: 13 Apr 2004
Posts: 1605
Location: Now available in South Central Omaha!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

icejammer wrote:
Any particular reasons not to?


We've already got one!

...now go back to Iowa or I shall taunt you a second time-a icon_wink.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail  
icejammer



Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 1140
Location: Council Bluffs

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

almighty_tuna wrote:

We've already got one!

...now go back to Iowa or I shall taunt you a second time-a icon_wink.gif


Not the dreaded Tuna Taunt!

No, seriously, if Omaha has one of something, you're not going elsewhere to check something similar out?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
almighty_tuna



Joined: 13 Apr 2004
Posts: 1605
Location: Now available in South Central Omaha!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might check it out once if part of a larger trip since its all the way out to IA City. But unless it was significantly better that what HDZ has it would be a one-shot deal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail  
Swift



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 1973
Location: San Francisco / Omaha

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icejammer wrote:
almighty_tuna wrote:

We've already got one!

...now go back to Iowa or I shall taunt you a second time-a icon_wink.gif


Not the dreaded Tuna Taunt!

No, seriously, if Omaha has one of something, you're not going elsewhere to check something similar out?


Well I'll put this to you:

If Iowa has ONE of something (the jungle) wouldn't the "students" go somewhere that has was TEN of something (i.e. desert dome, creatures of the night, gorilla valley, orangutan exhibit, panda exhibit, scott aquarium?).
_________________
r.i.p.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Ingersoll1978



Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 374
Location: Des Moines

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This project isn't a zoo exhibit.
_________________

Co-founder of absolutedsm.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
icejammer



Joined: 05 Oct 2004
Posts: 1140
Location: Council Bluffs

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swift wrote:

Well I'll put this to you:

If Iowa has ONE of something (the jungle) wouldn't the "students" go somewhere that has was TEN of something (i.e. desert dome, creatures of the night, gorilla valley, orangutan exhibit, panda exhibit, scott aquarium?).


I reckon they might. In fact, quite a few do already. Either way, the decision for "students" to go depends on school finances, time, objectives, yada, yada, yada. But I wasn't asking of students hypothetically, I was speaking of the here and now with y'all. Thanks.

and edit-thanks for the reply tuna


Last edited by icejammer on Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Swift



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 1973
Location: San Francisco / Omaha

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingersoll1978 wrote:
This project isn't a zoo exhibit.


I understand. But it has all the features of a zoo exhibit.
_________________
r.i.p.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
TitosBuritoBarn



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 517
Location: Southwest Omaha/ISU

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never go to it unless I was in Iowa City and was with a group of people who wanted to go. I can't say I see any uniqueness in this compared to the Lied Jungle either. I mean sure it is probably bigger, without as many organized pathes to follow, and fewer animals behind glass cages, but a man-made rainforest is a man-made rainforest...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address MSN Messenger 
jhuston



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Posts: 4030
Location: west Omaha

PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll go check it out. icon_smile.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
MrTwister



Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a man made forest, but unlike the Lied Jungle, the Iowa Rainforest project would use actual trees, plants, rocks, soils, etc...from the Rainforest in South America. In otherwords it wouldn't be an artificial construct meant to simulate an environment, it would be the actual environment. It's more botanical garden than zoo exhibit.

But it's all moot. It will never be built.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Finn



Joined: 25 Mar 2004
Posts: 1188
Location: DC

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lied Jungle also uses actual trees, plants, rocks, soils, etc. from various jungles of the world IN ADDITION to artificial construction.

From Henry Doorly Zoo website:

"medicinal plants, giant trees, seven large waterfalls, cliffs and caves. Most of the rockwork, as well as the larger trees, are manmade to enhance durability and aesthetics. Materials used to create the manmade rockwork and trees include fiberglass, cement and metal frameworks. All man-made amenities are blended with live plants and animals to almost make the difference unidentifiable."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
Ingersoll1978



Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 374
Location: Des Moines

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it gets built...but the reality of it actually getting built is diminishing. Who knows. There is even talk of it being moved again to another site.

I still think most of you don't see the difference between the two projects though. It's all about the scope of the projects. What the Lied Jungle is would just be a portion of the Iowa project.
_________________

Co-founder of absolutedsm.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
MrTwister



Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 50

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my point Finn. The Lied Jungle is an arificial construct blended with live material. The Iowa Rainforest project IS live material. It is meant to be a recreation of the natural habitat of a South American rainforest. Soils, insects, plants, birds, trees, everything. It is designed to be a living laboratory, not an facsmile of an environment for animals to live in.

Oh and btw....stop stealing your ideas from Minneapolis. They had a large indoor jungle long before Omaha.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message  
TitosBuritoBarn



Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 517
Location: Southwest Omaha/ISU

PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrTwister wrote:
That was my point Finn. The Lied Jungle is an arificial construct blended with live material. The Iowa Rainforest project IS live material. It is meant to be a recreation of the natural habitat of a South American rainforest.


Recreated....recreated....keep saying that.....RE-CRE-ATED... Live material in an environment recreated. When something is recreated there then is drawn a line between what is real and what is fake or artificial. I do not remember reading on the web page that they were able to transport the climate or the natural precipitation levels to Coralville and hover then over an unenclosed field of which this rainforest is to be set up on. Thus it must be climate and precipitation controled and underneith a roof. I do believe that both of those can be considered artificial as the real rainforest is not like that.


Quote:
Soils, insects, plants, birds, trees, everything. It is designed to be a living laboratory, not an facsmile of an environment for animals to live in.


Unless your point is that the animals will be able to roam freer, or that you know more about it than the web-site tells, this just doesn't make sense. It clearly states on the fact sheet that this is a rain forest of "exhibits" (much like the Lied Jungle) which will be used by people who already know something to teach people who don't know something what they know.[/i]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address MSN Messenger 
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    eOmaha.com Forum Index -> Elsewhere All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum